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by Sally Zimney

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This Moved Me is a podcast on the art of public speaking for presenters and creatives (both aspiring and experienced) who believe that a good talk can move the world. Through casual conversation with famous TED speakers to undiscovered talent, This Moved Me shares stories, insights and challenges from speakers who understand both the "art" and the "science" of what makes a good talk good. We end each episode with a THIS MOVED ME moment - sharing some of the creative resources that inspire and inform our work as speakers. Hosted by Sally Koering Zimney–a speaker, performer and presentation coach with over 15 years in the field–This Moved Me culls the best advice and expertise from the field because indeed, a good talk CAN move the world. Check out more on the show notes and blog at www.thismovedme.com.

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140: MMM - Thoughts on that amazing BBC video: What Would You Do?

Wed, Mar 22, 2017

It is maybe the best thing I've ever seen, ever.

I think there’s a reason why so many people (like, 23 million! - and counting) have enjoyed this video: because it is real life ramming up against these facades we create for the sake of our image.

I’m guessing this is not how Mr. Expert (real name, Professor Robert Kelly, bless his heart) expected to be ‘put on the map.’ But here he is! And, to his and his wife’s credit, they are embracing it. And I love them for it. LOVE THEM.

But I keep thinking... If that had been me, what would I have done?

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139: MMM - On Choosing the Right Presentation Coach For You!

Mon, Mar 13, 2017

How do you choose the right presentation coach for you? It's a personal process - so the connection should be personal, too. Here are 3 key questions to ask yourself to help you find the right one for you! 

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138: Jason Freeman - On Owning Your Voice

Mon, Mar 06, 2017

Jason Freeman - a writer, public speaker and Bravery Coach. His love of self and openness are some of the many superpowers he has as a speaker. He talks a lot about how the self-imposed limitations in our minds may prevent us from creating extraordinary lives. Jason himself has had to overcome hurdles in his mind, including not allowing his speech impediment to prevent him from using his voice to share his message. It's such a pleasure and honor to know you, Jason!

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137: Ryan Hildebrandt - On Landing a TED Talk

Tue, Feb 28, 2017

Ryan Hildebrandt –  a TEDx founder, creator, podcaster, traveler and a total adventure seeker. I love that he has a zeal for learning and creating new things. As someone who has founded and organized several TEDx events, he has reviewed numerous applications. He knows what works and doesn't work. Many speakers dream of giving a TED talk, but a lot of them don't know what makes an effective speaker application, or if their idea really is strong enough. Ryan talks about all these things and more!

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136: MMM - On Quick Coaching!

Mon, Feb 20, 2017

Introducing: TMM Quick Coaching! Quick, personalized coaching to help you take your talk to the next level. 

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135: MMM Q&A - On Getting the Content Into Your Body

Mon, Feb 13, 2017

"Sally, you talk about getting the content into you body. Sounds nice, but I have no idea what you mean by that. How do I do that?"

We are not writers - we are SPEAKERS. Speakers take the written word and become it. Can you tell a speaker who really wishes she was just writing it, and you were just reading it? Yeah - not too compelling.

The process of moving the content from something that is just bouncing around in your head to something that is living in your BODY takes two things:

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134: Jan Schultink: On Making Your Slides Magic

Mon, Feb 06, 2017

Jan Schultink - founder and CEO of SlideMagic - is a former McKinsey consultant who is now an internationally recognized designer. Jan understands both business and design, and he uses his expertise to help people develop their content and design their slides. Speakers, Jan's insight is invaluable if you want to create effective, well-designed presentation slides that can engage

Movers, Jan's insight is invaluable if you want to create effective, well-designed presentation slides that can engage an audience!  (And of course we do!)

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133: TMM Talk Club - Martin Luther King, Jr. Tribute: "I Have a Dream"

Sat, Jan 14, 2017

Happy Martin Luther King Day!

This man, from an early age, taught me that words can move the world. HE moved the world. And today - especially now, in this age that feels like we're reeling backward in some ways - I want to highlight what we as speakers can learn from MLK and pay homage to him through his incredible speech, "I Have a Dream." 

And so, I couldn't think of a better speech to start the  TMM Talk Club with. The idea behind the TMM Talk Club is to analyze a speech - pull it apart a bit - and think through what the key elements are so that we can learn from them, and bring more of these ideas into our own work.  [More on the TMM Talk Club soon!]

So what did MLK do especially well?  These three things:

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132: Jason Jaggard - On the Mindset of a Creative Leader

Wed, Jan 11, 2017

Jason Jaggard - a coach, speaker, social innovator for cultural change and CEO/Founder of Spark Good and consultant with Novus Global. I got the chance to see Jason speak at Story2016 in Nashville this fall, and he was excellent. Funny, insightful, bold. I was so inspired by what I heard that I went to his breakout session - which BLEW MY MIND. I literally wrote a billion things on my notes (well, ok, not a *billion*, but close). I still think about his ideas and insights and try to apply them to my work and life.

While I was sitting in the audience of his talk and his breakout session, I thought to myself again and again, speakers need these same mindsets. 

In fact, we ALL do. Anyone doing creative work that yearns to influence requires something big in us as creators. What do we need? Well, take a listen!

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131: MMM - On Editing Til it Hurts

Mon, Jan 09, 2017

"I know I need to cut some of my talk… but I hate to lose any of this material. It’s ALL important to me! How do you decide what to cut?"

I say a lot in my workshops and with my clients that you know you’re getting to the good stuff when it really hurts to edit your talk. “Edit until it hurts.” Ok, it hurts! It hurts! Now what?

Listen in!

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130: MMM - New Year's Eve Round-Up 2016

Mon, Jan 02, 2017

Happy New Year!

One of my favorite ways to end the year is to ask the simple question, "What's something that's moved you this year?"

This year I asked the question to my family as we gathered together at my parents' cabin in Wisconsin.  (They really had very little choice in the matter - thanks, Fam!) The responses varied - from the simple to the sweet to the sad and complicated. Another year in the books - and another chance to reflect.

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129: Rebecca Surmont and Andy Garrison - On (Human) Performance

Mon, Dec 26, 2016

Today is a This Moved Me Mash-Up!

I'm bringing together two performers who have lived out their talents in very different ways, but who share a connection to the field of persuasion and public speaking.

One is a mime turned entrepreneur who leads trainings on organizational and business development.

One is an actor turned coach who started a business training actors.

WHAT?! I know. So I thought it would be fun to bring these two together for our first-ever TMM Mash-up.

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128: MMM - Q&A on Q&A's

Mon, Dec 19, 2016

“Sally, I hate Q&A’s! Help!”

Haha, I thought this would be a good one to start with on my Q & A episode.

Ok - I hear this one a lot. I know, I know - it’s improv vs. your scripted scene. It’s unpredictable, can be scary - and oh my goodness, what if I get challenged??

Here are a few things that might help:

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127: On One Way Creativity Works - a Story

Wed, Dec 07, 2016

Once upon a time, there was a savvy business woman. She tried to write a talk, but the words wouldn't come. Every time she sat down to write her talk, it didn't work! What to do, What to do? Well - listen up: 

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126: Angela Lussier - On Speaking for Empowerment

Mon, Nov 21, 2016

Angela Lussier is an award-winning speaker, founder of Speaking School for Women, author of three books, speech coach and host of Claim the Stage podcast. Recently, I had the pleasure to be a guest on her podcast (Episode 23 called "Hairy Authenticity" - I know, I love the title too!). Angela's mantra is "Stop waiting. Start creating." She inspires her listeners to take the most important, often-feared, first step towards their calling, and to keep going.

Angela, I am thankful for this very important, timely conversation with you! We have a great opportunity and responsibility to use our voice and empower other women to do the same.

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125: Harriet Turk - On Keeping it Real

Mon, Nov 07, 2016

Harriet Turk is a speaker, trainer, and consultant who has a wealth of experience working with teens and adults. Her strength lies in her desire to teach and speak from the heart. Harriet meets her audience on their level, thereby inspiring change. 
Speakers, this is a thought-provoking interview that you don't want to miss! Harriet, this was such a fun and honest conversation. 

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124: Vikas Narula - On Speaking and Influence

Mon, Oct 24, 2016

Vikas Narula is an entrepreneur, influencer, and owner of Keyhubs. He has perspectives on life that helps others see things that are most important. We talked about how speakers can overcome the disconnect between themselves and their audience by understanding the power of influence and connection. We shared our thoughts on the importance of creative expression and the core concepts that transform speakers to influencers. Vikas, thank you for sharing such compelling and optimistic insights!

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123: David C. Mann - On Bringing the Wisdom of Theater to Our Talks

Mon, Oct 10, 2016

David C. Mann is an acclaimed speaker, award-winning theater artist, and presentation coach. David has a way of grabbing and holding his audience's attention with his honesty, energy and humor. It is evident from his interactions and presentations that he has a great understanding of human intricacies. He helps people overcome the hurdles in their mind, guides them in practical ways to find their "inner human" and inspires them to keep telling their story.

David, thanks for bringing so much of yourself to this interview.

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122: Josh Johnson - On Connecting Through Video

Mon, Sep 26, 2016

Joshua Johnson is a geocacher, YouTuber (as the Geocaching Vlogger) and speaker. Since his first YouTube video in 2011, Josh's curiosity has taken him around the world in pursuit of geocaches and meaningful connections. His contagious, playful attitude has earned him a respectful spot in the ever-growing, evolving, sometimes scary world of YouTube. He creates and delivers niche content in a way that resonates with his audience.
In this episode, I dig into Josh's mind to learn how he embraces the risks, challenges and unique opportunities of YouTube, while being his authentic, spirited and joyful self!

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121: MMM - How to Present Without a Technical Glitch

Mon, Sep 12, 2016

I don't know about you, but I'm not an especially techy person. I've had to learn to muddle through because part-and-parcel to being a speaker is having some technical know-how, or you'll find yourself up a creek without a paddle. If you know what I mean.
How on earth do we present without a technical glitch?

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120: Scott Jones - On Starting Over with Speaking

Wed, Aug 31, 2016

Scott C. Jones - comedian, TV host, writer - and now a speaker! - has joined me on the show as a budding speaker with a wide performance background. Scott's story is powerful. He's been in front of the TV camera for years; and after a health setback, he's found himself recreating his presence, and his story. We talk about risk, our stories, saying yes, learning from our work, the craft of expressing ourselves - and the wonderful ways we find ourselves in this arena.

Scott, I'm a fan! Thanks for reaching out - and for sharing your story with us!

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119: MMM - On Feedback, Part Four: Honest and Helpful

Fri, Aug 26, 2016

Aside from "Starting with an A" and "Leggo-ing Your Ego" and "Investing in the Relationship" - you need to be sure that feedback is both honest AND helpful. It's a simple filter, that asks just a little more of both the feedback give and the feedback receiver. 

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118: John Zimmer - On Cross-Training Your Speaking

Wed, Aug 24, 2016

John Zimmer - lawyer, Toastmasters master, speaker, improviser and communications coach - joined me for a conversation about how we can bring the art of communication to ANY opportunity you have. Whether you're in a courtroom, or giving a TED talk, doing improv, sitting in an interview, or standing in front of your coworkers for a meeting - these skills are essential to moving your audience.

I love John's breadth of experience - and how he brings these skills to so many arenas. As he says, "The more ways you can speak, the better the speaker you can become."

(Check out John's amazing website with tons of speech analysis - and, his wonderful TEDx talk!)

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117: MMM - On Feedback, Part Three: It's a Relationship

Fri, Aug 19, 2016

Simply put - you cannot grow through feedback unless you have a relationship with each other. Without a relationship, there might be some food for thought given and perhaps integrated - but likely discarded. Trust. It's what's for feedback dinner.

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116: LTYM - On Becoming a Storyteller

Wed, Aug 17, 2016

In May, I participated in a Listen To Your Mother event. Have you heard of Listen To Your Mother? You may have heard my interview with LTYM founder Ann Imig from last fall, or perhaps you've been in the audience of one of the 41 shows that takes place throughout the country. Or, maybe you've run across the LTYM YouTube channel, with their hundreds of talks from the last 7 years! Or the book.

And even with all that, if you haven't heard of LTYM, now you know. And now you've gotta get yourself to one of these events!

in this episode I talk with three people who took part in this spring's Twin Cities show - Junita Flowers, Vikki Reich and Liz Sjaastad. Enjoy!

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115: MMM - On Feedback, Part Two: Leggo Your Ego

Fri, Aug 12, 2016

We most often think of asking people who are receiving feedback to let go of their egos... See it as a gift... do not defend or explain yourself... Not getting defensive in the midst of receiving feedback can be a Herculean effort sometimes - depending on who is giving it. It is an incredibly human and vulnerable moment.
And here's the thing. It should be a vulnerable moment for the feedback giver, too. 
(And, I personally think sometimes there's helpful information in the explanation if the person is truly open to what you're saying.) 
Can you approach this conversation with curiosity? Without all the answers? interested in how the other person might be interested in solving the problems that you see or that you are experiencing? Assuming the other person's best interests are at the forefront? 
And I know, I know - sometimes the other person's best interests AREN'T at the heart of things. I've been there. When I first started coaching, I was so focused on proving myself, I took the speaker down to show how much I knew. Ugh. That was Ego, and I regret it. 
Or when a speaker cannot HEAR what you're trying to say because they are so protective of what they have created. Their ego is getting in the way of learning, growing and the possibility of more. I get it - it's crazy-vulnerable and, if you and your story and your heart are in your talk, it can feel - and be - personally painful to not just stand up and say it, but to hear that it's not ok as it is. 
Which is why we must all step into these conversations having LEGGO of our Egos.

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114: Vanessa Van Edwards - On the Science of Presenting

Wed, Aug 10, 2016

Vanessa Van Edwards - scientist and speaker - joined me for a conversation about how to present yourself... or, as I almost titled this episode: How Not to Be Awkward. Why is Vanessa the expert on this topic? As a "recovering awkward person" herself, she approached the soft skills of presenting, love, and influence - studying it like she studies science. And through that she has been able to bring to light some key lessons for all of us on the science of influence, charisma and presenting ourselves with confidence and credibility.


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113: MMM - On Feedback, Part One: Give Them an A!

Fri, Aug 05, 2016

I always ask for feedback on my coaching, speaking and trainings. Partly because I want to be sure that what I'm doing is working and I want to know ways I can get better - but also because I give so much darn feedback it only feels right to offer people a chance to give some to me. 
And one of the things I hear again and again is that I have a way of giving candid feedback in a loving way. In a way that people appreciate and hear and can learn from. It's one of the highest compliments that I have received in my work, and I appreciate it greatly - not only because it makes me an effective coach, but because that's how I want to do business. I want to help people be better speakers, but I also want to hold people up and celebrate them. I love people. And I want them to FEEL good, as well as do good work.  And there was a time when I wondered if you could do both. That's an old paradigm of thinking - and I'm so glad to de-bunk it. You can do both. In fact, I think all things work best when you can do both.
Not that there aren't times when you're giving a hard message that isn't welcome; that happens a lot. It's part of the job. And I'm often hired to do exactly that (give the tough messages). But who cares? - and does it even matter? - if people feel deflated and defeated after the message? It doesn't. 
So - as I start this series on Feedback for the next few Fridays, I wanted to share with you 4 key ideas that are essential in giving and receiving feedback in a way that makes us better, all the way around: 

On Feedback, Part 1: Start with an A

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112: Rob Bell - On How Speaking is Spiritual

Wed, Aug 03, 2016

Happy Season 3!
This is big, friends. I had the huge honor of having a 45-minute conversation with the amazing Rob Bell. In fact, I call him that so often I think he should just change his name to "the amazing Rob Bell."

Here's the technicalities of his impressive bio:

Rob Bell is The New York Times bestselling author of Love Wins, What We Talk About When We Talk about God, The Zimzum of Love and his most recent book How To Be Here. iTunes named his podcast, The RobCast, Best of 2015. He’s been profiled in The New Yorker, he’s toured with Oprah on her Life You Want Tour, and in 2011 Time Magazine named him one of the 100 Most Influential People In The World. He has a regular show at Largo, the legendary music and comedy club in West Hollywood and is currently touring his How To Be Here Experience around the world. He and his wife Kristen have three children and live in Los Angeles.

[Holy crap, people. Oprah. Time Magazine. Books. And!, he's besties with, like, all my favorite people. I'm sorry, I can't stop gushing.]

But here's what I've learned by watching his talks (inspiring, and a masterclass in the craft of speaking) and listening to his podcast (love it, one of my faves) and reading his books (smarty and awesome): Rob Bell is the real deal, and he is led by an internal compass and a sincere quest to follow his curiosity and soak up the life that is in front of him. He is smart. He is funny. He is grounded. He is not afraid to change his life and challenge others, and speak up. And after a brief 45-minute conversation, I felt like we were friends. I hope that's true, because he is a good person to have in this world. I have benefitted from him just being here.

So what I'm saying, movers, is that it's not just a really impressive and long list of accolades; it could be infinitely longer if you named all the people he's impacted, inspired, and changed.

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111: MMM - On a Memorizing Trick

Wed, Jun 29, 2016

It’s Mini Moved Me day! Today I want to talk with you about a little memorizing trick I use when I’m trying to get the content of my talk to move from my head and really sink into my body.

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110: MMM - On Power and Stories and Orlando

Wed, Jun 22, 2016

I wrote this piece over on my This Moved Me Facebook page, and it resonated. I wanted to record this to share with more of you - and to remind us all how powerful our voices are. 

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109: Margie and Elena - On The Mindset of Innovation

Wed, Jun 15, 2016

Margi Simmons and Elena Imaretska - two brilliant and creative speakers - both call the Brave New Workshop their professional home. The Brave New Workshop is an improv theater that may sound familiar to you because they are famous for being the longest running improv comedy troupe in the country.

Super cool, since Margi spent years on that stage. And Elena spent years dancing and performing. They both have respective chops as performers and creative leaders that make them "expert."

But they also do this work because they believe something much deeper happens when we take the risk and step out on stage. The skills and mindset and courage that improvisors are challenged to show are the same skills that can help us become great leaders - and, of course, great speakers.

So, I got to sit down with them both at the BNW's new amazing space (so, sorry for the echoey sound) - and talk about how we can take the innovative mindset out on stage with us.

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108: REBROADCAST - Rita Boersma, On Story Truth

Wed, Jun 08, 2016

Rita Boersma has been with me since the beginning. Literally! She was my first guest way back in 2014 - and I thought it was time to bring her back to the forefront. Why? Because Rita is someone who brings her talent and insight so beautifully to her creations that I'm often in awe of what she can do. She is brilliant and funny - as a writer, a speaker, a coach and an improviser. And together, we've made some cool stuff.  So if you're new to us here at This Moved Me and haven't gone all the way back to the beginning - enjoy this little gem... the sound system wasn't up to par; the equipment was mediocre; but the conversation was rich. Enjoy! 

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107: REBROADCAST- Hank Fortener, on Crafting a Talk

Wed, Jun 01, 2016

In this republication of one of my most popular episodes EVER on This Moved Me, Hank Fortener and I delve into HOW he creates talks week after week with the same kind of passion and intentionality that he brings to each talk. Hank is a talk-crafting master, thanks to the thousands of hours he has spent building and re-building talk after talk. In this slightly longer episode (I just couldn't cut anything!) - Hank shares his insights, ideas and approaches to crafting a talk.

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106: Mini Moved Me - On Breaking Down the 4th Wall

Wed, May 25, 2016

So today's Mini Moved Me is all about two very simple ways you can break through that 4th wall and set a tone of connection with your audience.


  1. Seek out the people in your audience who can bring the rest with them - and then share something together. For me, for years, it was finding the 7th grade boys who know how to do the worm. They do the worm, we cheer them on, and now we're buddies. Now we have a common connection.
  2. And secondly, make sure you get out from the front table and make it your deal to get really curious about the people in the room. Get their advice, find out who they are and what they're thinking. (You will know based on more than just what they say, btw. Their body language will say it all.)

Two easy things. I've got a bunch more strategies - but this is supposed to be a "mini" moved me, so we'll have to say them for later.


And of course, you can check out the reminders I got from the Rob Bell experience a few weeks ago: Space, Resonance, Wisdom, and Co-Creation.

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105: Jared Sherlock - On Amazing Your Audience

Wed, May 18, 2016

Jared Sherlock - magician, entrepreneur, producer, actor - opened up a magic kit at age 8 and decided that he wanted to be a magician. He went on to study theater and boldly took his magic to the world at a young age. I got to see him in action a year ago at the CSB/SJU RedTalks where he gave an astounding 5-minute talk that AMAZED me. It was full of illusions and "trickery" - and yet, it felt authentic and honest. I wanted to talk about that wonderful paradox, and Man! - Jared lives it. I loved this conversation, and I hope you do, too!

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104: MMM - On Surpassing Expectations

Wed, May 11, 2016

If our goal as speakers is to move our audience, then we should be looking for ways to surpass our audience's expectations.

On this week's Mini Moved Me, I talk about going beyond the constrictions of our audience's expectations, to surprise and delight them - not just to do something different, but because by doing so we make a difference.

But it takes intentionality - time - and creativity. Three things that we all have (even if we feel like we don't.) In other words, there are no excuses for doing the same-old, same-old - except that we didn't take the time to push ourselves and try something new.

So, my thought for you today is to use a "Blue Ocean Strategy." Live in a different ocean - get out of the bloody red ocean where everyone else is swimming! - by distinguishing yourself with excellence and a unique approach that is audience-focused.

You don't want to freak people out by working too outside their expectations, but we can raise those expectations - and bring them along with us!

For example - Get out of the red ocean of using your power point notes as your handout! Situate yourself in the Blue Ocean by doing something different - maybe offering a one-sheet that summarizes your points; maybe offer them a symbolic element, like a keychain or a bird (or whatever, who knows, I'm making this up here, people) - something that symbolizes the shape or vehicle or metaphor of your talk! Maybe you don't offer them ANYTHING cause you know that most people don't use or appreciate it, and it ends up in the garbage!

Think like your audience, and do what will delight them.

(For more on the "shape of your talk," check out Brandy Agerbeck's interview with me on the show! It's awesome.)

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103: Geraldine Buckley - On Telling Stories That Unite

Wed, May 04, 2016

Geraldine Buckley - minister, writer, speaker, chaplain... and award-winning storyteller! And wow, can this woman tell a story! She was recommended to me by Bob Tryanski (a guest on the show earlier last year who is himself a storyteller).  Geraldine has worked in TV, PR - and then somehow also in a prison - which is what makes her such a fascinating character. I will admit, I didn't get a word in edgewise until about the 10th minute - but that's because I myself was totally taken by her delightful voice and stories. Equal parts wisdom and heart! We delved into some of the big ideas around storytelling - why we do it, how we can discover the stories in our lives, and most importantly - how we can unite through stories.

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102 - This Moved Me Round-Up: 100 Episodes of Moving Moments

Wed, Apr 27, 2016

100 Episodes! Triple digits, baby!

I honestly didn't think I'd ever make it this far. (You just can't see that far out when you're scrambling to get your content out week in and week out.) But here we are! 100.

I couldn't let this moment pass me by without taking some time to reflect and appreciate the journey.

And I have to say - I've learned a ton. I've met some incredible people. I've had some brilliant (and some dud) conversations! I've had tech issues; I've found new friends; sometimes I've stumbled and sometimes I've shot out of the starting gates.

This show has been a huge part of my life for the last year and a half - and I'm so so so incredibly honored by every single person who has taken the time to find it, share it and be a part of it in big and small ways.

My heart is full! Thank you.



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101: Brandy Agerbeck - On Shaping Your Talk With Visuals

Wed, Apr 20, 2016

Brandy Agerbeck is a graphic facilitator, speaker and expert on helping people put their ideas into a visual form. I’m not talking about pretty slides (although that matters) – I’m talking about structure, function and form – in visuals. I think this is an area not talked about enough – and yet as an audience member it’s crucial for helping make the leap to understanding that much faster. So I was so excited when one of my loyal listeners Jeffrey suggested that I have Brandy on the show! (Thanks, Jeffrey!) Brandy – you are doing such important work – in such a playful and wonderful way!

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100: MMM - On the Speaker Mindset, Part Three

Fri, Apr 15, 2016

It's part Three!

If you haven't yet listened to Part One ("I can't wait to share this with them!")

and Part Two ("It is what it is, so I might as well enjoy it.")...

Go for it.

Because Part Three is all about audience. Luckily, focus has been brought to the audience much more in recent years. But this isn't about creating your content so it's relevant for your audience (which is essential, of course).

No - today is about keeping your HEART (and your mind) focused on your audience.

Ultimately, this isn't about you; you are simply - and wonderfully - the conduit for the message. So you can let go of the me-me-me worries. No one is thinking of you quite as much as you are.

The awesome John Noltner (a guest from Season 1) talks about how he found himself as a speaker by reminding himself that he is simply the messenger. It kept the focus on the right thing - the impact we want to have, on the people who are sitting in front of us.

You are there to serve your audience. And that idea should liberate you - free you from the self-focus that can sometimes weigh us down.

When you are interested in and care about your audience - they feel that. And, perhaps more importantly - YOU feel it.

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099 – Kenya Pope – On Overcoming Our Fear of What’s Possible

Wed, Apr 13, 2016

I have done some writing recently about how important it is to get a handle on our internal mindset before we step out on stage. So it was so wonderful to talk with Kenya Pope – an author, speaker, artist and coach - whose mission is to help heart-centered entrepreneurs make money while they make a difference. To eradicate the “starving” artist notion! That is a worthy cause!

And here's what I can tell you about Kenya: she has a beautiful spirit! In our brief time together, we connected through her artistry - her poetry, her singing, her stories. Clearly, Kenya knows how to make an impact. She is unabashedly "woo-woo" - and brings her fascinating and eccentric experience, world view, spirit and love with her in this conversation. It's "woo-woo" - and it's full of life. Enjoy!

(A small warning for those who are sensitive about language: Kenya does use some spirited language a few times... nothing shocking (and I love her spirit!), but probs not for the kids' ears. Fair warning!)

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098: MMM - On the Speaker Mindset, Part Two

Fri, Apr 08, 2016

Last week in Part One of this series, we talked about the importance of walking into the room to give a talk with the mindset of "I can't wait to share this with them."

It's about turning your fear into excitement.

And I know it's more complicated than just saying it over and over again in your head, but truly, saying it over and over again in your head helps. Eventually, you convince yourself. (Not unlike those power stances; sometimes we have to trick ourselves into feeling confident.)

Today's mindset - part two - is about embracing the live theater aspect to this awesome work. We need the mindset of "It is what it is - so I might as well enjoy it."

Improv, anyone? Live theater! Who knows what will go wrong, but you can count on something going wrong, and most of the time it's not the thing we expect. How cool is that?! Sometimes, not cool -but guess what? You can't do a darn thing about it.

So - you might as well make the best of it.

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097: Michelle Mazur - On Being a Rebel Speaker

Wed, Apr 06, 2016

When I had the awesome Michelle Evans on the show a few weeks back, she suggested that I connect with Michelle Mazur, my guest on today’s show. The crazy thing is, I had JUST found Michelle organically and was already in the process of scheduling some time with her! I love this small world. Michelle is a “rebel speaker” and presentation coach – meaning that she bucks the trends that are worth bucking (something I always cheer on). Gotta love that. And, she has a passion for encouraging women speakers on the importance and value of the business side of speaking. She is passionate, savvy and though she takes the business of speaking seriously, she doesn't take herself too seriously - something I appreciate.

Let me just point this out right now: Michelle has a Facebook group for speakers that I'm in, and that has been a wonderful way to connect with other speakers who are trying to turn their love of speaking into part of their business. Check it out!

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096: MMM - On the Speaker Mindset, Part One

Fri, Apr 01, 2016

Something that comes up time and time again in my coaching is the idea that this is an emotional journey as much as it is a skill journey. We can learn how to deliver better and differently; we can spend hours upon hours navigating and editing our content until it's lovely and perfect; we can make a killer and beautiful slide deck. But who are we when we step out on "stage"?

Let me be clear: I am not a psychologist. Not even close. But I often help people with all the baggage that comes with us up on stage. And we do indeed bring all our baggage with us up on stage and into rehearsals! Fears, assumptions, myths, old adages and leftover 7th grade scars. Yay! It's all a part of us!

Aside from doing the hard work of dealing with all of that - some of which is beyond my scope as an armchair psychologist/presentation coach, of course -

Well, we can do our best to control the incredibly powerful thoughts that come into our minds.

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095: Oscar Santolalla - On Giving a Killer Technical Presentation

Wed, Mar 30, 2016

Oscar is a fellow in this band of presentation podcast fellows, which includes many wonderful people (see also: Lea Pica)! We support each other. So, when Oscar let me know that he’s starting a crowd-funding campaign for his next book called “Giving a Killer Technical Presentation” and wondered if we could talk about what that means… I thought two things: 1) what is a technical presentation? And 2) You bet! Oscar is the podcast host of Time to Shine, an interview-based podcast about public speaking, and he has been studying and is now speaking about what it means to give a killer technical presentation – the likes of Steve Jobs and Guy Kawasaki.

I have to admit: these kinds of presentations aren't normally my jam. The selling - the 'reveal' - but I'm reminded in watching these and talking with Oscar how important they've been to us as a culture. Taking our ideas and turning them into realities. Sharing IDEAS as much as they are a commercial. When done right, they are about more than the stuff.

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094: MMM - The Creative Process Part Five - REACT

Fri, Mar 25, 2016

This - the final part of our series on The Creative Process (check out the rest here: Part One: Theory, Part Two: Research, Part Three: ReFrame/Retreat, Part Four: Realize).

Today's part is about REACT. Going public. Putting it out there. Or, as the amazing Seth Godin says, "shipping it." Getting it in front of an audience. Testing it. Getting feedback.... and then starting this whole darn process over again.

It's about getting comfortable with the discomfort of failure and learning.

As I've said many many times before - the only way to better is through.

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093: Scott Savage - On Becoming Better (Because it Matters)

Wed, Mar 23, 2016

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Scott Savage – a Twitter friend! - found me through one of my all-time favorite episodes – Hank Fortener. Hank and Scott have many things in common – they are both speakers, they are both pastors, they both have this wonderful combination of skill and insight that makes them both really good at what they do, but also WISE at what they do. These are my favorite kinds of guests – guests that dig deeper with me on why this matters. In Scott's life - whether as a blogger or speaker, his goal is to empower us with new perspective - and he makes good on that promise. And here’s what I really appreciate about Scott – he is so clear and honest on the WORK that it takes to become a transformative speaker. He believes in the opportunities that are in front of us when we “take the stage.” And he prepares, invites feedback, polishes, invests himself… and then starts over again the following week. That kind of dedication and commitment has earned my respect – and I can’t wait for you to also lean into his insight.

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Show highlights: On Becoming Better

[Tweet "#Speakers: "Nothing can replace experience." @scottsavagelive on @ThisMovedMe"]
On the show, we talked about:
  • Scott's journey to experienced and skilled speaker, learning from those speakers he admired and that moved through him
  • The importance and challenge of the rhythm of the pastor's speaking schedule
  • What "transformation" looks like - and how Scott nurtures his talks to move his audience using a "Star Moment" - a moment they'll always remember
  • And the role of feedback, failing and mining your life's bumps to bring insight to your audience
[Tweet ""I got better because I gave lots of bad talks and got brutal feedback." @scottsavagelive on @ThisMovedMe"]


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[Tweet ""The messages I give are the ones that have already wrecked me." @ScottSavageLive on @ThisMovedMe"]

This Moved Me Moments:

SALLY: I auditioned for the Listen To Your Mother event here in the Twin Cities! It was a moving moment for me because I haven't auditioned for anything in quite a long time - so it was good to be nervous, and good to put myself out there. [Good news! I got in! More on this soon.]

For your viewing pleasure, take a look at one of my favorites on the LTYM YouTube channel!

SCOTT:  Scott reminded us about the "me too moments" that can be so powerful in our talks. We think we're the only one, but when we hear another person's story we can find the universal in someone else's specific.

I'm grateful,

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092: On Hiatus Week Two - Outtakes

Wed, Mar 16, 2016

I'm on week two of an unexpected hiatus from the shows while I revive my dead website. And, as promised, I have a show for you...  I decided to share with you some of the many (many!) outtakes that I have gathered over the last year...A little fun, a little laughter - a little reminder that even we people behind the mic get it wrong. Enjoy!

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091: On Hiatus, Week One

Wed, Mar 09, 2016

My website is broken - so I'm taking an early "spring break" - or hiatus - from my interview episodes to share with you a few This Moved Me Moments that have struck me in the last few weeks!

-Send in YOUR This Moved Me Moment by tagging @ThisMovedMe in Facebook, Instagram or Twitter - and I might share yours on the show!

Also - if you want to support This Moved Me financially (I mean, why not?! ) even $1 an episode can make a HUGE difference!
Check out http://www.patreon.com/thismovedme to learn more.

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090: MMM - On the Creative Process, Part Four - REALIZE

Fri, Mar 04, 2016

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This is my favorite part of the process.


It's the AHA part!  The part where you're standing in the shower... or wandering through your commute... or sitting on the porch with a glass of wine (ok, that one doesn't actually happen all that often, but isn't it a nice image?!)... and then BAM! IT COMES TO YOU!


When I was in grad school, finishing up my Master's degree - with a brand, spanking-new one-month old! - I remember waking up in the middle of the night with the PERFECT ending to my final project! I was so excited! But I was also so tired. So without realizing what was happening, I fell back to sleep (like only a new parent can do) and when I woke up the next morning, I couldn't remember it! It was gone. Like, poof. Gone. Totally blank. All I knew was that something brilliant came to me in the middle of the night.


That's how these things work. (If you want to hear more about this kind of magical idea-floating thing, just read Elizabeth Gilbert's book, Big Magic. I am slightly obsessed with it.)


So, the key for anyone who is in the mode of REALIZING (and it happens more and more the more we are digging into this process) - is that you have to be ready to capture it.

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089: Joel Boggess - On Building Your Influence

Wed, Mar 02, 2016

Joel Boggess – author, speaker, broadcast journalist – and host of the highly-acclaimed podcast “Re-Launch” with over 200,000 listeners – joined me for a conversation about how to build your influence, whether in front of an audience or over the airwaves. Joel is a generous spirit – giving so thoughtfully of his expertise in the podcasting community, which is where I met him! Together we talked about the growth of Re-Launch, and how he’s translated his expertise to become a teacher and mentor through his speaking engagements. Enjoy!

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Show highlights: On Bringing Your Story to Life

[Tweet ""There's almost no more intimate connection than a #podcast." ~@JoelBoggess on @ThisMovedMe"]
On the show, we talked about:
  • Joel's history and experience as a communicator
  • The growth trajectory of his podcast, and how he's brought his expertise to his audiences
  • The essential trust between speaker and audience - and how to build that
  • What community has to do with our work as speakers
  • The power of MESSAGE to connect us with each other


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This Moved Me Moments:

JOEL: Received a very personal letter and package from a listener letting Joel know of the hope and inspiration he's found through the Re-Launch show, and giving him hope to move forward. That kind of feedback is so powerful! Thanks for sharing, Joel...

SALLY:  Went to a live event and got to experience the delight and thrill of "live" events! Marlon James and Dave Eggers with the MOI -  Two people, in conversation. The intimacy of their conversation was moving and powerful! A reminder that conversations that can happen on a podcast or between two people on stage can be so powerful when people can listen in on them!

Thanks for listening. I'm grateful for you,

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088: MMM - On The Creative Process, Part Three: REFRAME

Fri, Feb 26, 2016

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We are in week three of this 5-part series on the creative process! Yay! If you haven't yet listened to parts one and two, go ahead and do that first so this all makes more sense.

Today's Mini Moved Me is all about how we can REFRAME our work.

In other words, are we open to seeing our work in a different way? Exploring the possibilities? Stretching the approaches? Often, the tools in our tool belt - i.e., all the research we are continuously doing - makes it possible to see our work in a different light.

Creating something "new" is really about seeing the old in new ways, and making it your own.

[Tweet "As #speakers - reframing is important if we are to bring new insight to old ideas (and they're all old ideas). "]




Some ideas from Andy in terms of how we can "reframe" as we're creating something new:

-What Works Matrix by Jack Welch - identifying people, companies, organizations that are doing it well (not exactly like you - but something you aspire to)

-Expect and plan on trying and failing. There is so much to learn as we try and find the new!

-If we want to be able to reframe we need to literally step away, retreat, slow down and NOT think about what we're focused on. Our brain makes connections in the unconscious - so sleep, quiet, reflection - even zoning out in the shower - are essential to the creative process.

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Tune in for next week's continuation of this conversation - focusing on the "AHA Moment" - what Andy calls REALIZE!

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087: Paul Tomes - On the Power of the Metaphor

Wed, Feb 24, 2016

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Paul is back! This it the third time I’ve had Paul on the show with me, because… well, I love to listen to Paul talk. :) And, because he has wonderful stories to tell and ideas to share with us! He sent me an email a few weeks back and shared a story with me – and I thought – there is so much good stuff in here, we gotta share it with my movers (that’s you!). So, sit back, take a listen – and enjoy a story by Paul about the power of the metaphor in moving your audience.

Listen to the podcast

You can listen in iTunes, Stitcher - or, if you're on the website, scroll to the bottom of the post for the player!


Show highlights: On the Power of the Metaphor

[Tweet ""What business are we in for this presentation? In the business of change." @PaulTomes on @ThisMovedMe"]
Today's show is all about a story that Paul shares of a coaching moment with one of Paul's speakers. This story was inspired by the movie As It Is in Heaven - a Swedish film from 2004 that moved Paul greatly.  And then, he used the inspiration from that movie to create an inspiring moment for a speaker.


I always enjoy talking with Paul - and sharing his insight here with you. We didn't get to a This Moved Me Moment so we could focus on his story - so tune in next week for more of our regular TMM Moments!


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086: MMM - On the Creative Process, Part Two: RESEARCH

Fri, Feb 19, 2016

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We are in week two of diving into the Creative Process! Last week's episode laid the foundation for this series - so if you haven't listened to it yet, go back and listen to that one now as it will help this all make a little more sense!

Today's Mini Moved Me is all about RESEARCH.

"Research" means feeding your brain with good stuff. Podcasts, audio books, music, YouTube videos, Lynda courses, UdeMe, reading books, taking online courses, talking to experts, talking to friends. Even scrolling Facebook could be considered "research." (Or, at least, that's my excuse for the wormhole of time I spend on there sometimes...)  It can be specifically about your topic - or, it can be seemingly un-related.

Of course, we all know that things are connected in ways we can't always see initially.

We feed our brains as a part of the process  so when an opportunity arises to CREATE, we have all this juice in our nogins that makes our creations rich, connected, vibrant, interesting, thoughtful...

Sometimes, this "research" becomes the basis for the analogies/metaphors/experiences that can make our work powerful.

But let's be real: all this research can also be overwhelming. Andy (today's guest, and my husband) - is a productivity expert, so he shares with us some of his favorite "hacks" for capturing all of what the world is throwing at us (and that we are picking up).

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Here are some of the "hacks" to capture all of the "research" that abounds:

Tune in for next week's continuation of this conversation - focusing on REFRAMING!

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085: Christy Primmer - On Talking About Tough Topics in an Easy Way

Wed, Feb 17, 2016

Have you heard of the Women’s Speaker’s Association? The WSA has been a great source of support and resource for me – and it’s also where I’ve made some great connections, including today’s guest. Christy Primmer is a speaker, author, coach, counselor – even spelling bee champion! - and she is a pro. She brings her sassy self to the stage, mastering the art of taking about tough subjects with finesse and care.

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084: MMM - On the Creative Process, Part 1 (What should I do today?)

Fri, Feb 12, 2016

How many of you have gotten STUCK before?! Struggled with making the new?!  Felt at a creative loss?! Felt tired, bored, uninspired, alone!?

Ugh, yes. Me too.

A few months ago, I got a wonderful question from my friend (well, I like to think we're "friends" - do Twitter-friends count?) Grant,  who asked how he, as a pastor and frequent speaker with a demanding schedule, stays inspired, energized, creative.

My first reaction to Gavin was to share with him this framework for the creative process that I've learned from my hubs, Andy. So, I did a Mini Moved Me and blog post - and talked through the essential creative process when we're making something new, hoping that within this framework would be something helpful for Gavin.

But there is so much more to dig into here - because it applies to ALL of us. If we're creating ANYTHING, we are in the various stages of this framework several times a day, many times over. And there are things we can do to get better at creating.

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083: Ann Imig - On Telling a Story Only You Can Tell

Wed, Feb 10, 2016

Today’s guest – Ann Imig – blogger (Ann’s Rants), humorist, performer and the creator of the Listen To Your Mother events (and author of the book of the same name) – is living out the idea of sharing our stories. LTYM, a live event that brings voice to people’s experiences with motherhood. And this has grown tremendously in the past 6 years, with shows in 41 cities throughout North America. Ann is funny, insightful, determined – and bringing her mission of live storytelling to life.

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082: MMM - On the Stumble Through

Fri, Feb 05, 2016

Sometimes the biggest hurdle we face when rehearsing is actually standing up and jumping in.  As a coach, I know all the signs... prolonged chit-chat, sudden stories of our kids, last-minute bathroom visits, extra goofing off, changes of subject... I know, I know - it's a challenging moment, when you have to stand up and say out loud these ideas that you've been playing with. It's the first time you are really putting yourself out there. And we put a lot of pressure on ourselves.

But what if we took off some of the pressure?  What if, instead of thinking of it as a rehearsal, we thought of it as a "stumble-through"?  

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081: Michelle Evans - On How to Promote Your Self (Without Losing Yourself)

Wed, Feb 03, 2016

Self-promotion is the woe of many of us speakers, entrepreneurs, creatives, authors... if we're creating something, we must also face the reality that if we want people to see this thing that we've created, well, we've gotta promote it. We've gotta promote ourselves. For many of us, that's no fun. And it's for sure a ton of work. My guest today, Michelle Evans, is a pro. Her career spans from working as highly sought-after talent at Microsoft to coaching newbies to help them get discovered and now creating her own business full-time. She is a speaker herself, and her message is on helping people like us find our audience. As she says, "You can't buy a secret." And though we know it's not all about people buying what we're creating, it's a wonderful gift to be paid for our passion. And luckily, Michelle has volumes of advice - not just for me - but for us all!


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080: On The SASI Method, Part Four (IDEA)

Fri, Jan 29, 2016

For the next few weeks, we're talking about the SASI Method. (If you haven't listened to Part One - Part Two - or Part Three yet, go ahead and listen to it now to help set the foundation for today's final part!)


These four elements are essential in preparing for a talk. And today's topic is about IDEA. 

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079: Kelly Fern - On Bringing Your Story To Life

Wed, Jan 27, 2016

Remember Joe Schmit, one of my guests from last season? Suuuuper nice guy - TV sports anchor - speaker and author? Well, he sent me an email (I love it when guests stay in touch!) and said to me, "You should have Kelly Fern on your show."  (If you know this show/know me, and think someone would be great for me to talk with, let me know!)  I thought, ok sure! And then I read her story. You guys, her story is incredible. It's the kind of story that you think is likely made up in some back room in Hollywood to sell tickets to movies - but no, this story is real. And for us as speakers and storytellers, there are so many important facets to bringing voice to our own experiences. So, Kelly - author, speaker - the subject of documentaries and interviews on radio and television - well,  we talked about how we can bring our stories to life - even difficult stories. Even stories that haven't been told before. Maybe even especially those stories.

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078: On The SASI Method, Part Three (Speaker)

Fri, Jan 22, 2016

For the next few weeks, we're talking about the SASI Method. (If you haven't listened to Part One or Part Two yet, go ahead and listen to it now to help set the foundation for today's part three.)


These four elements are essential in preparing for a talk. And today's topic is about SPEAKER. 

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077: Levi Weinhagen - On the Power of the Pratfall

Wed, Jan 20, 2016

A few weeks ago I met Levi Weinhagen at the Ignite Minneapolis event. I had been hearing about Levi for awhile - both he and my husband are in the improv community here in the Twin Cities - and he hosts a really successful podcast called the Pratfalls Podcast about how we as creatives move through life (which is often full of pratfalls, of course). Levi did a great job of emceeing Ignite that night, so I really wanted him to join me for a conversation to talk about his various experience as a creative person and performer. I'm so excited to be sharing this conversation with you, because Levi brings those skills and the mindset of an improviser to what he does and who he is as a person... taking risks, following your fear, listening well, how to bring the 'funny' (or not) - and, perhaps most importantly, why fart jokes are actually really, really important (really).

AND - I sang. (You're welcome/I'm sorry.) I was moved to, I couldn't help it!


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076: MMM - On the SASI Method, Part Two

Fri, Jan 15, 2016

For the next few weeks, we're talking about the SASI Method. (If you haven't listened to Part One yet, go ahead and listen to it now to help set the foundation for part two.) 


These four elements are essential in preparing for a talk. And today's topic is about AUDIENCE. 

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075: Lea Pica - On Not Data Puking

Wed, Jan 13, 2016

My guest on today's show has found a great phrase for boring presentations that overload us with info... it's called "Data Puking." Gross! But accurate. We can do so much better! Lea Pica has spent her career transforming boring old info into presentations that engage and excite. She is funny, warm and a total pro. Check it out! 075: Lea Pica - On Not Data Puking

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74: MMM - On the SASI Method, Part 1

Fri, Jan 08, 2016

On this week's Mini Moved Me, it's about getting sassy. Well, actually, it's about getting S.A.S.I. (Ha, see what I did there?)


Back in college in theater class, we talked about four key elements of theater: Space, Audience, Actor and Idea.

Well, as I dove into the world of speaking, I did my own translating of those concepts for us as speakers, to


These four elements are essential in preparing for a talk. I dig into a method of preparation that I use with my speakers - and with my own talks, as well. It ensures I don't get lazy - and that I've at least thought-through all the big questions. 

And today's show is about the first S = SPACE. 

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073: The 'Best' This Moved Me Moments of 2015

Wed, Jan 06, 2016

Hello 2016!

Re-entry from vacation is always a little bumpy. I will admit, I got quite used to busting into appetizers and a bottle of wine at about 4pm (ok, 3) each day - so I'm doubling down on my smoothie/green intake this week hoping to neutralize pretty much everything. Ha!

I'm still not quite done with reflecting and revisiting 2015. I couldn't help but to do one more round-up of 2015 - my favorite part of the show each week: the This Moved Me Moments!

I have a hard time picking "favorites" of most anything. But, I wanted to recognize some of the most memorable This Moved Me Moments from 2015.  I edited together some of the best audio stories that were shared on the show - highlights from Lindsey O'Connor's episode, Kate O'Reilly's episode, and Joe Beckman's episode - among a few others (you can listen here).

But I also wanted to gather together some of the other memorable pieces here on the blog, that are not easily shared by audio.  Check the blog (www.thismovedme.com) for the complete round-up! 

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072: This Moved Me Holiday Message

Wed, Dec 23, 2015

As I head off on break for a few weeks to take some down time with family and to celebrate Christmas, I wanted to share an excerpt of the beautiful book Becoming Naomi Leon (by Pam Mu?os Ryan). Naomi - a young girl - along with her brother and Gram - head out to find their father in Mexico. Santiogo, her father, is an artist. And so is Naomi. And, like the process of creating her soap carvings - Naomi is also in the process of discovering herself. They are connected - our creations, and ourselves.

(Listen here for the full excerpt.)

"Each piece has a personality. Sometimes you can look at the wood and see exactly what it might be. The promise reveals itself early. Other times you must let your imagination dictate what you will find."

Sometimes our talks go through a similar process. Sometimes the magic is revealed to us early. And other times, we have to keep carving until finally it makes itself clear.

It's sometimes challenging, sometimes scary - and sometimes magical, easy, fated.

This time of year more than any other, I like to believe in the magic. 

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071: MMM - On Holding Space

Fri, Dec 18, 2015

On this week's Mini Moved Me:

I talk about holding space. 

Several weeks back, a Twitter follower and listener sent me a message and asked me to talk a bit about "holding space" as a speaker. He then sent me to this blog post written about the concept, and suggested I have the writer on the show. Which I did! 

At first glance, I wasn't exactly sure what my new friend Jeffrey meant by "holding space." 


But after reading Heather's blog post, I came to this: (Listen to hear more!)

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070: Cecily Sommers - On the Art of Reinvention

Wed, Dec 16, 2015

Another amazing find by my hubs, Andy:

Several weeks back, he came home from a conference and said, "You've got to have this woman on your show." So Cecily and I talked - and she asked me a really good question (which, as it turns out, is a backbone of her work): "What was at work when it was working? What did he like about it?"... well, he didn't say.  (For those of you who know Andy, you might be laughing now. He sometimes doesn't say much.) But when I went back, he said, "she was compelling, interesting, engaging - on a PANEL!  That doesn't often happen."

Well, the truth is that Cecily has an incredibly rich and interesting life - and brings it all to her work as a futurist and speaker. Her goal is to create experiences that can reinvent - ourselves, our audience. So, we talked about that! And, she said, like, a million things worth writing down. I tried to capture them all here for you. ENJOY!

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069: MMM - On the Laundry List

Fri, Dec 11, 2015

MMM Laundry List

On this week's Mini Moved Me:

There have been many times when I'm working with folks who want to share a long list of things with their audience. And I have to ask:

Do you want them to remember every little thing on this list?

Or, do you really want to communicate something about the list as a whole?


Most of the time, it's the latter. ("We're doing all kinds of things to market"; "We're making all these improvements"; "I see so many opportunities for growth," etc.) Which makes sense, right, cause audiences don't/can't remember too many details. 


But even knowing that people won't remember the details, it's hard not to indulge in them. It feels responsible, somehow - like, we might not be giving the work the credit it deserves to fly through them. 

But here's the deal:

The audience won't remember details, but they do remember feelings

Focusing on the whole of the list - and the feeling behind it - is called sharing  "the laundry list."  

Ya know, throwing them all together into the laundry basket kind of thing to give the ESSENCE of what you're saying, vs. the specifics on the list.  Throw them all in there, and zip through it. Focus on how you want them to feel about it, vs. walking through each little thing on the list. (They won't remember them anyway.)

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068: Heather Plett - On Being a Meaning Maker

Wed, Dec 09, 2015

Today's show focuses in on facilitating, as well as speaking.

A few months back a listener (Hi Jeffrey!) reached out to me on Twitter asking me a wonderful question about holding space - and then suggested I read this article about the concept written by today's guest, Heather Plett.  (He then went on to suggest I have her on the show!) I read the article - was moved - and asked Heather to join me for a conversation. It felt like a meeting of the minds! Heather is a facilitator, practitioner, speaker and incredibly wise guide. (I wrote down quote after quote after quote... ) She understands deeply the 'why' behind our work as speakers, which is that we can create meaning.  That is not a small thing. Thanks for reminding me of this, Heather!

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067: MMM - On Shutting Down Your Pre-Frontal Cortex

Fri, Dec 04, 2015

On this week's Mini Moved Me:

I don't consider myself a brain expert (which is why I'm friends with awesome people like Erin Walsh from episode 004!) - but I know this:

Our pre-frontal cortex is really important in growing up, acting like an adult, making good decisions and generally being a responsible human.

But it's super un-helpful in creating things. 

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066: John Sandahl - On Developing Mastery

Wed, Dec 02, 2015

Nearly twenty years ago, I was a theater major at the College of St. Benedict/St. John's University here in Minnesota. There I met some truly incredible people - one of whom I am sharing with you today! John Sandahl is a speaker, life coach, facilitator, and international ultimate frisbee player. John and I have worked together at Youth Frontiers for the past decade or so - and in that time I've coached John, and learned from him. I've watched John become a speaker, right before my eyes. And a good one at that. He brings his wisdom and guidance - and playfulness! - to all those he speaks to and works with. So, I was so excited to bring him on the show and talk about developing mastery.

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065: MMM - Thanksgiving and Mercy

Fri, Nov 27, 2015

I wanted to do a special Mini Moved Me in honor of Thanksgiving - thanking you for your support, for your questions and insights and connections. I do feel so incredibly thankful for this slice of my life that has been so gratifying in the past year. 

All of that is very true - I'm incredibly grateful for this show, and for each of you. But I also feel a pang of shallowness in that sentiment. I need to place my gratitude within the context of this greater world that is struggling so much right now. 

I read this beautiful post by Elizabeth Gilbert about Mercy, about keeping our hearts open when so many people are shutting theirs down. We, as meaning-makers, speaker - MOVERS - our job is to help people experience mercy, to open their hearts, to illuminate the suffering of others and have it become our suffering as well. To experience each other, to experience compassion. To be human. 

Thank you for your open hearts. 

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064: Jack Stahlmann - On Knowing Yourself

Wed, Nov 25, 2015

Lately my husband has been making some amazing connections for me. First - last week's episode with John Capecci - and now this week's episode with Jack Stahlmann! I felt a connection with Jack because his face and mine are both very expressive. (See last week's Mini Moved Me for pictures.) Jack is a "motivational speaker" - but he brings a new zest to that idea, which I really appreciate! We talked a lot about 'knowing ourselves' as a speaker (or actor/performer) and how essential that is to do good work.

Take a listen!

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063: MMM Q&A - The Highs and Lows of Public Speaking

Fri, Nov 20, 2015

I got this thoughtful and totally understandable question from a listener last week:

I have done public speaking since I was a teenager, I have now been a Pastor for a year, and preach weekly. Each week, I need to create a new sermon. I find a lot of emotional energy goes into the preparation and the emotion peaks on the Sunday as I talk. Each Sunday afternoon and Monday I emotionally crash. I get flat, regret things I have said, doubt my capacity to speak and get sleepy. I understand that the highs and lows are very natural.

I am wondering, have you got any tools for managing the lows after speaking, so that I can bounce back quicker so that I can engage the world around me on Sunday and Monday?


Take a listen while I take on this MMM Q&A!

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062: John Capecci - On How Story Transforms

Wed, Nov 18, 2015

Talking with John Capecci - communications coach, author, teacher - was like finding a friend who likes all the same things that you do. And what's especially cool is that our connection was totally happenstance. A few weeks back, my husband went to a Pollen event, and happened to sit next to John. They had a short conversation and it became clear really quickly that he and I have a similar mission: to move people with our talks - and in John's case, more specifically, stories. We had a mind-meld conversation over coffee, and I quickly realized that I needed to have him on the show.

I'm delighted to share his insights with you!

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061: Mini Moved Me - On Using Your Eyebrows

Fri, Nov 13, 2015

My face is expressive! I have the deepest, deepest forehead wrinkles of anyone I've ever known - particularly for anyone under the age of 40 (barely, but yes, I'm under 40).

And one of the most important aspects of expression is your eyebrows. That comes as a surprise to many people, but the eyebrows hold the key to telling whether or not someone really means what they're saying.

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060: Michael Veltri - On Becoming A Professional Speaker

Wed, Nov 11, 2015

Michael Veltri came to me through Nick Morgan (one of our sponsors of this show, a guest on This Moved Me, and an all-around great human) - and we originally recorded a conversation this past summer. But as you know if you've been following along with me, I had some technical issues this summer (understatement - ahem). And then I got a new computer. And I think the combo invited in some terrible karma or something, and I lost the recording with Michael. (I know, how does that happen?!) So, he was kind enough to sit down via Skype - again! - and I'm so glad we did! Michael is an executive coach, consultant, speaker, entrepreneur - and he brings his life experience - as a cancer survivor, an Aikido Master, a Marine - into all that he does. Plus, he's in the midst of some major growth in his speaking career, so we got to talk about lessons learned along the way. Enjoy!

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059: Mini Moved Me - Happy Anniversary!

Fri, Nov 06, 2015


I love all excuses to celebrate! And this one is particularly special for me.

One year ago today, I took a risk and jumped head first into this podcast thing. In many ways it was a selfish endeavor because I simply love talking about this stuff - and I love people - so it seemed like a fun little project. Well, this "fun little project" has turned into a twice-weekly gig that has become a big part of my life, and connected me with people from all over the world! I've spoken with huge TED speakers, budding amateurs who are about to go big time, and uber-talented artists and visionaries who all have brought insight and courage to this art of public speaking. I am so grateful.

So–to celebrate–I've got some goodies for you, including this outtakes montage.


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058: Michelle Hensley - On Bringing Everyone In

Wed, Nov 04, 2015

I attended the Minneapolis TEDx Event this summer. It was a night full of some amazing speakers, but the stand out to me was Michelle Hensley, my guest today. Michelle is the Artistic Director and Founder of Ten Thousand Things theater company. This theater company creates theater that brings stories to people who don't normally get to experience them. But that's just the very tip of the iceberg. I was so excited to talk with Michelle because her philosophy as a theater person directly correlates to us as speakers, as you'll hear. There is so much to dig into here. ENJOY!

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057: Mini Moved Me - On Your Wandering Feet

Fri, Oct 30, 2015

On today's Mini Moved Me (just a smaller version of the real thing that I post on Wednesdays), I talk about the strange connection between our brains and our feet. If you've ever noticed when someone's really 'in their brain' as they wrestle and connect with new content, you might notice that their feet reflect what their brains are doing: they wander. 

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056: Bob Tryanksi - On the Art of Storytelling

Wed, Oct 28, 2015

Several months back, my sister-in-law sent me a link to one of her neighbors down in Lawrence, KS. "He's a storyteller," she said. "He'd be great on your podcast." Hmmm, I thought. Checked out his website, did a little research. Yes, he certainly has the experience. So we exchanged some emails and kicked the ball down the field. We were both sure that at some point we'd record a conversation.

Well, then we went down to visit my new (adorable, cutey, love them so much) niece and nephew, and they invited their storytelling neighbor over. And we talked for an hour. MAN, I wish I would have pulled out my phone and recorded that conversation because very quickly we went deep, and thoughtful, and dug into some big stuff. So I INSISTED that we record it officially and get this guy's thoughts on the show.
I convinced him. And today, you get to get a peek into Bob Tryanski's varied experience, insight, humor and thoughtfulness that he brings into his work as a speaker and storyteller.

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055: Mini Moved Me - On Shortcuts

Fri, Oct 23, 2015

I was working with a speaker who was under a really tight time crunch - and as this time crunch came down to the wire (and as he searched for extra time to make this talk happen amid many other demands in his life) - he kept asking me to take on certain aspects of the work.

Now, there are a lot of things that we as coaches can do. Some research, lots of observation and note-giving, and many, many hours of editing and shaping.

But we cannot do the creating. You - as the speaker - must do the creating - or it won't be yours.

If you want to do something transformative - there are no shortcuts.

If you want it to matter - there are no shortcuts.

If you want to feel really proud of what you're doing at the end of the day, and allow the evolution of what you're doing to live its full life - there are not shortcuts.

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054: Dan Pallotta - On Convincing People

Wed, Oct 21, 2015

I've got a special edition of This Moved Me this week! I gave a big hint about it in my weekly This Moved Me newsletter a few weeks back... so, for those who are not signed up for these emails (why aren't you signed up for these?!), let me see if I can set this up for you.
A few weeks ago I attended the Minneapolis Foundation's 100-year anniversary conference. They had some HUGE keynote speakers lined up - Dan Buettner from the Blue Zone project (hilarious, I'm dying to interview him), Michio Kaku - the physicist futurist (he is really something - a total entertainer) - and then our guest for today's show - Dan Pallotta, founder and president of Advertising for Humanity and the Charity Defense Council.
You see, Dan invented the modern-day charity event, and in doing so, raised hundreds of millions of dollars for some of the biggest causes of the day. But it wasn't an easy ride. Dan's TED Talk - one of the 100-most viewed of all time - inspires and insists on a new way of thinking about how we treat charities and nonprofits so that these organizations have a fighting chance at actually changing the world.
Loved our brief 15-minutes to dig into how we can convince a sometimes unwilling audience!  

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053: Mini Moved Me - On Telling a Specific Story

Fri, Oct 16, 2015

Stories are the birthplace of empathy, so it’s essential for us as speakers to wrestle with them, and do our best to master the art of storytelling. And many new speakers tell us ABOUT their story rather than actually tell us a story. It’s the difference between, “I really like ice cream, so went to the story to get some” – and “Last Wednesday it was so hot and humid that I a sudden wave of longing came over me for the wonderful min-chocolate-chip ice cream from the local ice cream shop down the street. So, I hopped on my bike and rode the two blocks to the store. I walked in – heard the lovely ding of the door, signaling a new customer – and said to the lady behind the counter, “Please tell me you have some Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream left!”


The specificity of a particular moment is what draws us in and makes it matter.

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052: Jenny Evans – On Pushing Our – and Our Audience’s - Boundaries

Wed, Oct 14, 2015

On this week’s This Moved Me, I got to chat with the awesome Jenny Evans, founder of PowerHouse Performance Coaching - and author, speaker, and expert on both fitness and resilience training. She has spoken in front of thousands, all over the world - and lucky for me, I've been one of those audience members!

The thing about Jenny is she doesn't just do your typical corporate training thing. She pushes the boundaries - and that's exactly why she is such an engaging and dynamic speaker and person.

Read more here: http://www.thismovedme.com/052-jenny-evans-on-pushing-our-and-our-audiences-boundaries/



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051: Mini Moved Me - On Asking: "So What?” 

Fri, Oct 09, 2015

On this week’s short and sweet Mini Moved Me, I talk about the "so what” of what we say. Digging down past the obvious to the next layer will help you find the new meaning, and avoid the easy answers. 

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050: Julian Treasure - On Talking About Talking

Wed, Oct 07, 2015

On this week’s This Moved Me, I talk with the famous TED-speaker, Julian Treasure. Julian’s 5 TED talks have accumulated over 20 million views worldwide! Obviously, Julian’s passion of talking about how we speak – how we listen – and how we create sound that people WANT to listen to – resonates! I was so thrilled to get some of his time to share his expertise with you.


In the show we talked about: 

Julian’s story – how he started helping people create their brands through sound

The experience of speaking at TED

How to help your audience hear you

The power of filters

The importance – and difference between – preparation and practice

When authenticity turns to artifice



Julian: The experience of seeing a student of his grow and improve, in one short day. When we commit ourselves to making a difference, it often comes back to us!


Sally: My husband and I went to Universal studios, and I got to see Hogwarts castle. It reminded me of the power of literature, and the connection we build with these characters and worlds.



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049: Mini Moved Me - On The Value of Rehearsal

Fri, Oct 02, 2015

On this week’s Mini Moved Me, I talk about the necessary evil that we speakers just love to hate: rehearsal. 

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048: Jane Leyden Cavanaugh – On the Connection Between Humor and Truth

Wed, Sep 30, 2015

On this week’s This Moved Me, I talk with Jane Leyden Cavanaugh – speaker, improviser, comedian – and spiritual guide. Yes, that’s right – Jane is a hilarious prophet. So, we dove in to talk about the important connection between the truth and the funny.


In the show we talked about: 

Jane’s time at the Groundlings – learning what funny really is

When she finds the true in the funny – building her prophetic voice

The importance of vulnerability in this work

The power of imagery – inspired by Parker Palmer’s Let Your Life Speak

And the realization that we have to find our wisdom and insight by doing the work ourselves.



Jane: This powerful quote by George Bernard Shaw: “This is the true joy in life – being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a might one; being thoroughly worn out before you are throw on to scrap heap; being a force of nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances.”


This quote has inspired Jane’s purpose to speak with a prophetic voice – a voice that lifts people up and leaves them with hope and an idea of what could be (rather than being a clod of ailments and grievances). Love it.


Sally: Jane’s TMMM is what moved me!

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047: Mini Moved Me - On Polish vs. Perfection

Fri, Sep 25, 2015

On this week’s Mini Moved Me, I’m shedding some light on moving away from perfectionism - which sometimes creates distance between the audience and speaker. It doesn’t have to be perfect to be polished!

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046: Malcom Chapman – On Speaking and Community

Wed, Sep 23, 2015

On this week’s This Moved Me, I talk with Malcom Chapman – speaker, Bush Fellow and community leader on the power of our speaking opportunities to move our community and really make a difference. Though we had some challenging audio - I decided to still share because the content of the conversation was so great. My apologies for the static - bare with me on this one! - and enjoy!


In the show we talked about: 

Malcom’s Story

The Bush Fellowship – and how we serve

Malcom’s biggest challenges

The power of family and our stories



Malcom: An ELCA Youth Gathering, where he experienced a Pastor preaching to console himself. The power of that story, and the vulnerability in that – Malcom felt like he knows him now.


(We also gave a shout-out to President Obama’s Eulogy after the Charleston shooting. https://youtu.be/RK7tYOVd0Hs)


Sally: This hilarious and stupid video about the impact of Helium Beer. Just TRY and watch this without laughing!   (https://youtu.be/3V9QHBgrPNY)

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045: Mini Moved Me - On Your Pearl Button

Fri, Sep 18, 2015

This week, I’m talking about a concept introduced to me by Jane Leyden Cavanaugh - your personal “pearl button": the thing that stays constant and true in us, regardless of what we are wearing or saying – and how valuable this can be to us as speakers!

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044: Aly Wallberg - On the Power of Rhetoric

Wed, Sep 16, 2015

On this week’s This Moved Me, I talk with Aly Wallberg – speaker, communications coach, teacher and business professional – about the power of rhetoric to learn about ourselves, each other and the world.



Aly Wallberg and I connected through her short and lively Ignite Minneapolis Talk where she analyzed Sarah Palin's Lipstick on a Pitbull convention speech. I loved the talk and thought Aly was brilliant and funny. So of course I had to have her on the show! 


Aly is a speaker, communications coach and generally smart human who brings her expertise to her work in the corporate world, as well. It was so fun to connect with a person who has a similar passion and excitement about words and the impact they can have.


In the show we talked about: 

The process of creating a somewhat controversial talk

The role that studying rhetoric can have in the every day work world

And the loftier benefits of studying rhetorical appeals - knowing ourselves and each other more powerfully



ALY: The podcast Death, Sex and Money - a podcast about the things we don't talk about. The Living Alone and Liking It Sometimes episode. 


Sally: 92Y - Check it out!  Especially liked the episode with Dick Cavett and Alec Baldwin.. compare that to fun and frivolous Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper episode. 


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043: Mini Moved Me - On Your Origin Story

Fri, Sep 11, 2015

On this week’s Mini Moved Me, I talk about the importance of identifying and developing your origin story.

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042: Bryan Skavnak - On What Golf Has to Do with Public Speaking

Wed, Sep 09, 2015

On this week’s This Moved Me, I talk with Bryan Skavnak – golf pro, author and speaker from The Happiest Golfer – about the connection between golf and speaking. There is one! Who knew!? (Not me.)

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041: Mini Moved Me - On Humanizing Yourself

Fri, Sep 04, 2015

On this week’s Mini Moved Me, I talk about the bridging the gap between audience member and speaker with the little moments that make us human.

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